Thursday, August 24, 2006

Good Turkish advice:
"Watch the way people dress"


This looks hilarious to me. Why bother taking a photo? It looks like five garment-bags in a row, with slits at the top for the eyes to peer out. Is some kid gonna look at the photo in the family photo album years from now, and ask "Which one is Mommy?" And will someone say to the kid, "She's the second garment-bag from the left".

I don't remember where on the internet I found this photo, but the title of the file is: "miss_radical-islam". Now, isn't that being "judgemental"? Is a woman an islamic radical, a fanatic, if she dresses like that? Is her family likely to be sympathetic to terrorists?

According to one Turkish woman, the answer is probably "Yes":

The Enemy in Our Midst

In this article by Paul Belien at the Brussels Journal, he talks about a conversation he had with a Turkish friend of his:

...Following the foiled plot European governments seem to be as worried about rising islamophobia as about terrorist attacks. If islamophobia is on the rise, however, one should decide who is primarily to blame. As long as our governments refuse to do this, and blame their own people first, the chances of saving Europe from islamo-fascism are bleak.

In Turkey last May it struck me that the Turks have far more realistic views on the danger of islamism than the European political and media establishment. At least they do not equate criticism of islamism with criticism of religious Muslims. A Turkish friend told me that I would always be welcome in her country if the Belgian authorities should prosecute me for alleged “racism” or “islamophobia.” She was a Muslim herself but said that she did not understand why the West European countries tolerate islamist extremism to a degree that is not tolerated in her country. She explained that it was easy to recognize who the fanatics are. “Just watch the way people dress,” she said.

“I have seen you wear a headscarf myself,” I said.

“I am not talking about headscarves, which are the traditional women’s wear of the Turkish countryside, but about hijabs and burqas,” she said.

“Are you saying that all the women wearing those are terrorists?” I asked.

“No, but you can be fairly sure that families where the women dress like that sympathize with the terrorists.”

We see growing numbers of these women in our European cities. If my Turkish friend is right it is relatively easy for the police to establish where to find potential terrorists. I am opposed to thought crimes, but I wonder why European governments that introduce such crimes for so-called “racists” and “islamophobes” do not make it a thought crime to sympathize with terrorists. If one can be arrested for carrying a swastika flag, why is one allowed to demonstrate in front of Westminster with the Hezbollah flag (which depicts a machine gun)?...


(bold emphasis mine) The whole article is not long, and worth reading, it has several embedded links. One link is to another article by Belien, about his visit to Turkey:

For Whom the Bell Tolls
...On a tour of the town the daughter of our Turkish host showed me a banner by the gate of a local school, which bore a quote of Atatürk: “Nations who do not know their national identity will become the prey of other nations.” West Europeans would do well to bear this in mind. A young Turkish woman said that she is opposed to Turkey joining the EU because she fears that the Eurocrats will force her country to be “tolerant” towards Islamist fanatics, allowing them “rights” which in contemporary Turkey they do not have. Possibly an EU including Turkey would adopt more realistic, sensible and “tougher” policies with respect to Muslim extremism. Perhaps the current witch hunt in Western Europe, where everyone who worries about Islamism is branded as an “Islamophobe” and a “racist,” would stop if Turkish voices were heard.

During the past two weeks I also heard Turks expressing more sensible views on the relationship between church and state than I am used to hearing in Western Europe. Prof. Attila Yayla, one of Turkey’s most outspoken liberatarians, said there is nothing wrong with religious conservatism. The latter is not an enemy of the free society. On the contrary, “religious conservatives are our allies in the fight against state totalitarians,” says Yayla. I agree, as would most Americans (but not, unfortunately, most Europeans). Where morality is no longer upheld by religion, the state steps in to fill the void and the state becomes God, obliterating all morality. Today the welfare state, both at the national and at the European level (the “EUSSR”), is becoming increasingly totalitarian, confirming Vladimir Bukovsky’s warning in this respect. It is no coincidence, I think, that precisely the fanatic proponents of a complete secularisation of European society, such as Belgium’s leading politicians and intellectuals (including priests such as Father Leman) are harassing the so-called “islamophobes” and “racists.” ...

Belien maintains that European secularists are a greater threat to freedom and democracy in Europe than religious conservatives. As a case in point, he offers Dutch Parliament member (and Somalian immigrant) Hirsi Ali as an example. She is an outspoken ex-muslim, but also a secularist and a critic of religious conservatism. Belien disagrees with her views on religion, but admires her courage to speak out. Yet, he shows how the very secularists that Hirsi Ali supports, attack her. At the time this was written, they were actively FORCING her out of Holland, because of her criticism of Islam (this was written in May; she has since left for America Correction: She has made plans to leave Holland in September, and come to the USA. See comments section below for details. Also see Hirsi Ali, facing deportation, decides to leave Holland and come to the US, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "I am not an Islam basher").

The article ends with the Hirsi Ali drama, and some shocking statistics about immigration and emmigration in the Netherlands. A facinating read, with many embedded links too.

5 comments:

Walker said...

I remember when that lipstick NOW feminist chick (what was her name?) said she was going to go to Saudi Arabia and sit on the oil derricks until they let the women go. Now I wouldn't be surprised if libs like her donned a burka to show solidarity. How wacky is that?

Anonymous said...

Your article is full of lies and half truths.
Hirsi Ali is the darling of the right and of all of racist islamaphobes. A black women who denounces her people.. A bit like Condi I guess.

She still has her Dutch citizenship , and hasnt left. The reasons why she had trouble was because she got her current postion in Dutch society by spreading lies. Lies about Islam, lies about herself, lies about muslim customs .
All for the perks of being a muslimbasher: these are numerous, such as getting a free villa to live in, free transport in a luxury car with a driver, lots of media attention, a salary of 20.000 euros a month, all at the cost of the Dutch taxpayers. At the end one of her lies came back to hunt her, the lies she used to gain Dutch citizenship in the first place, and thats why they revoked her parliementary seat.
BTW, all of those people in Turkey that are against overt Islamic life styles are against any overt religous lifestyle, including christians. Thats why the Ataturk, a secularist muslim, expelled the christians in the 1920s. If conservative muslims still were in controll in Turkey in the 1920s, Turkey would have had at least 20% christians instead of the current 1%.

Chas said...

To "kahraman":

"Lies" is a pretty strong word. Let me dispense with your rubbish quickly:

The article I've quoted above was written in May, at which time, Hirsi Ali had her passport revoked. She resigned from parliament, and was going to leave Holland for the USA. At the end of July, her passport was restored to her. She is allowed to stay. But she can't.

She IS leaving for the USA anyway, in September, because she has nowhere to live in Holland. Her neighbors in her apartment building have sued to have her evicted, because they feel the death threats against her by fanatical Mulsims endangers them if they have to live next to her. A Dutch court has ruled in favor of her neighbors.

Her current apartment has bullet resistant glass in the windows. Not a nice way to live, but even so, she can't stay there, has already moved many times, and has run out of options. Hardly the glamorous lifestyle you're suggesting.

Hirsi admitted to lying on parts of her asylum application, to ensure she would be accepted. She did this publicly, before she was elected to Parliament; she was elected anyway. It was hardly a secret.

There is a great deal more that can be said on her behalf, but I won't bother repeating it here, as I'm sure it would make no difference at all to you, and would waste my time.

The Christians in Turkey in the 1920's were slaughtered by Muslim FUNDAMENTALISTS. While it is true that Ataturk allowed, and even encouraged the mass slaughter, he was simply unleashing a force that had been there for some time already; he didn't create it, but used it for his own political purposes.

You are suggesting that a more conservative Islamic leader would have prevented the slaughter, and not sided with the Fundamentalist fanatics. I find that hard to believe, but in truth, history did not play out that way. We can only speculate about what might have happened differently, which is not the same as knowing.

Merely criticizing Islamic fanaticism does not make anyone a Muslimbasher; if you think it does, then YOU are part of the problem.

I don't appreciate your comments about Condi Rice, your accusations of lying, or any of the rest of your anonymously posted crap.

The only valid point you made was that Hirsi has not left Holland... yet. A small point, for which I will make a correction. But any other cult apologists who are tempted to vent their spleens on my blog should take notice to do it somewhere else; I will not oblige you.

Anonymous said...

Islamophobe = Any sane person in the West.

Proponents of Islam are making their religion the single greatest criminal enterprise in the history of the world.

Anonymous said...

I don't like the term islamophobe, I don't fear Islam, I HATE IT.